I have to say, in my Christian immaturity, I never looked at this election like this. Thank you for your God-led insight. Certainly an important time for prayer and reflection. I find it too easy to slip into the ways of this world and be consumed by their mindset.
I agree completely. I’m in a quandary. There is a supposedly principled PC candidate locally, endorsed by a prominent pastor. I don’t know him or his principles. The only other options are the Godless ones.
Serious question: Do I vote for PCs knowing and hating their rotten policies and hope for turnaround in the PC platform or abstain from voting?
I would not cast a vote for the CPC - period. Their leader has openly said he will support and fund the murder of pre-born babies, and he will forbid any of his MPs to table any legislation against it.
That kind of bloodthirsty evil cannot never be supported.
The way you have of turning the "rotten PC policies" around is by JOINING THE PARTY, attending your local riding association meetings, and VOTING INTERNALLY.
Hey, I’d say vote for your PPC option if you don’t have a CHP candidate in your riding! PPC has timid positions on these big issues, not promising to abolish abortion, euthanasia, or gay mirage, but they do support giving healthcare workers freedom to deny abortions and euthanasia, pastors to deny marrying gays, etc. they are for free speech and against castration. You can search up PPC.ca and look at their platform.
The PPC is a byword, a joke and utterly irrelevant in Canadian politics. There is NO accountability in that so-called Party. Members do not get a vote on how policies are made and set. Christians who support them become part of the joke. Is this principled? Is this a good testimony in the world?
My husband and I were in a local EDA at the very beginning, and have forsaken this travesty utterly.
The PPC is a byword, a joke and utterly irrelevant in Canadian politics. There is NO accountability in that so-called Party. Members do not get a vote on how policies are made and set. Christians who support them become part of the joke. Is this principled? Is this a good testimony in the world?
My husband and I were in a local EDA at the very beginning, and have forsaken this travesty utterly.
You having a bad day? You feel angry enough to tell me what I should be doing when you have no idea of what I do? Speaking of good testimony, let’s show grace.
This has nothing to do with extending grace. the PPC party is a sham. folderol.
Please do not presume to know my internal emotional state as if you were God or a psychic. Do what you like. I did not tell you what to do. Learn to read with better comprehension. Now I have told you what to do. One negative and one positive.
Note most Canadians do not have CHP as an option. Is not voting the right thing to do here?
What about Doug Wilson’s argument about voting Trump in 2024; that voting is not a sacrament and trump’s victory would bring about more Christian’s in government than Harris?
Canada is different because it is not a two party system. But what about ridings with no CHP option?
What about PPC? Maxime Bernier is not pro-abortion, euthanasia, or gay marriage specifically, and the party platform allows for candidates to hold different opinions on those topics.
I have two more articles coming out that I hope will clarify my position even more.
For now I'll say that the Scriptures are full of many examples of men trying to justify getting around straightforward obedience to the commands of God by saying it is either better than the alternative or because they can bring something good out of it.
See King Saul (twice), Uzzah, Moses, and Balaam, to name a few. The consequences are never good.
I’m struggling to think through how Christian’s ought to approach voting. I love this article because it is true that the 5 parties are all sinful and voting CPC is a pragmatic decision that goes against principles. But I don’t think being pragmatic is necessarily a sin. Only when it violates Gods commands and replaces trust in God with trust in man. Think David with Achish, he was willing to take refuge with a pagan if he didn’t have to disobey God. Nehemiah was willing to use the Persian government’s resources if he didn’t have to disobey God. In fact both of them trusted God in the means of pagans. So you’d have to make the case that voting PPC is a sinful pragmatism that requires disobedience. I don’t think it’s as binary at full agreement on every policy or abstention.
Right, but what is a Christian compromising on by voting PPC? I agree that Maxime is not a social conservative, like Trump. But the party platform is not unbiblical nor does it promise anything I’m against.
Is it our Christian duty to not vote unless there is an explicitly Christian party? And if we must be so principled as to only vote for parties that match our principles completely or not vote at all, will we not end up with a Baptist party, Presbyterian party, etc. or will we not end up with Canada having no Christian voters in all of Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and every riding without a CHP candidate?
The Lord is free to use whomever He wants. However, that is different from what He commands His people to do, and what faithful obedience looks like. God using evil people and evil means is not justification for our willing participation in it. We are called to have nothing to do with works of darkness (Ephesians 5:6-11).
I have another article coming out in a couple of days that will address this and bring even more clarity to my position.
I don't think we necessarily have to vote for Christians only. The issue is less about the person's personal opinions and more about how they govern. The State is required to punish those who break God's law and reward those who keep it, but they don't have to be Christians to do that.
A vote for the conservative party is a vote for people and a party who are outwardly saying that they will not only NOT do their job by not punishing those who commit the greatest evils, but they have and will actively support unrighteous laws that punish those who do good, such as Bill C-4.
I have to say, in my Christian immaturity, I never looked at this election like this. Thank you for your God-led insight. Certainly an important time for prayer and reflection. I find it too easy to slip into the ways of this world and be consumed by their mindset.
It is easy, and it's also easy to be discouraged and hopeless, but we don't have to be.
My next post will pick up on those ideas.
I agree completely. I’m in a quandary. There is a supposedly principled PC candidate locally, endorsed by a prominent pastor. I don’t know him or his principles. The only other options are the Godless ones.
Serious question: Do I vote for PCs knowing and hating their rotten policies and hope for turnaround in the PC platform or abstain from voting?
I also have to give account for my vote.
I would not cast a vote for the CPC - period. Their leader has openly said he will support and fund the murder of pre-born babies, and he will forbid any of his MPs to table any legislation against it.
That kind of bloodthirsty evil cannot never be supported.
Of course you’re right. And thank you for responding. I read your article again. What was I thinking in asking such a question!
We're all trying to make sense of our situation...
The way you have of turning the "rotten PC policies" around is by JOINING THE PARTY, attending your local riding association meetings, and VOTING INTERNALLY.
Hey, I’d say vote for your PPC option if you don’t have a CHP candidate in your riding! PPC has timid positions on these big issues, not promising to abolish abortion, euthanasia, or gay mirage, but they do support giving healthcare workers freedom to deny abortions and euthanasia, pastors to deny marrying gays, etc. they are for free speech and against castration. You can search up PPC.ca and look at their platform.
The PPC is a byword, a joke and utterly irrelevant in Canadian politics. There is NO accountability in that so-called Party. Members do not get a vote on how policies are made and set. Christians who support them become part of the joke. Is this principled? Is this a good testimony in the world?
My husband and I were in a local EDA at the very beginning, and have forsaken this travesty utterly.
I’m a PPC supporter. Unfortunately none running in my area. 🙁. I’m in a Liberal stronghold. Thanks for your suggestion, though.
The PPC is a byword, a joke and utterly irrelevant in Canadian politics. There is NO accountability in that so-called Party. Members do not get a vote on how policies are made and set. Christians who support them become part of the joke. Is this principled? Is this a good testimony in the world?
My husband and I were in a local EDA at the very beginning, and have forsaken this travesty utterly.
You having a bad day? You feel angry enough to tell me what I should be doing when you have no idea of what I do? Speaking of good testimony, let’s show grace.
This has nothing to do with extending grace. the PPC party is a sham. folderol.
Please do not presume to know my internal emotional state as if you were God or a psychic. Do what you like. I did not tell you what to do. Learn to read with better comprehension. Now I have told you what to do. One negative and one positive.
I hope you find peace.
Note most Canadians do not have CHP as an option. Is not voting the right thing to do here?
What about Doug Wilson’s argument about voting Trump in 2024; that voting is not a sacrament and trump’s victory would bring about more Christian’s in government than Harris?
Canada is different because it is not a two party system. But what about ridings with no CHP option?
What about PPC? Maxime Bernier is not pro-abortion, euthanasia, or gay marriage specifically, and the party platform allows for candidates to hold different opinions on those topics.
I have two more articles coming out that I hope will clarify my position even more.
For now I'll say that the Scriptures are full of many examples of men trying to justify getting around straightforward obedience to the commands of God by saying it is either better than the alternative or because they can bring something good out of it.
See King Saul (twice), Uzzah, Moses, and Balaam, to name a few. The consequences are never good.
I’m struggling to think through how Christian’s ought to approach voting. I love this article because it is true that the 5 parties are all sinful and voting CPC is a pragmatic decision that goes against principles. But I don’t think being pragmatic is necessarily a sin. Only when it violates Gods commands and replaces trust in God with trust in man. Think David with Achish, he was willing to take refuge with a pagan if he didn’t have to disobey God. Nehemiah was willing to use the Persian government’s resources if he didn’t have to disobey God. In fact both of them trusted God in the means of pagans. So you’d have to make the case that voting PPC is a sinful pragmatism that requires disobedience. I don’t think it’s as binary at full agreement on every policy or abstention.
Again, 2 more articles are coming out to clarify my position.
Right, but what is a Christian compromising on by voting PPC? I agree that Maxime is not a social conservative, like Trump. But the party platform is not unbiblical nor does it promise anything I’m against.
Is it our Christian duty to not vote unless there is an explicitly Christian party? And if we must be so principled as to only vote for parties that match our principles completely or not vote at all, will we not end up with a Baptist party, Presbyterian party, etc. or will we not end up with Canada having no Christian voters in all of Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and every riding without a CHP candidate?
Wise thoughts! Appreciate your time.
I really do hope to help Christians think more clearly about these issues.
The Lord is free to use whomever He wants. However, that is different from what He commands His people to do, and what faithful obedience looks like. God using evil people and evil means is not justification for our willing participation in it. We are called to have nothing to do with works of darkness (Ephesians 5:6-11).
I have another article coming out in a couple of days that will address this and bring even more clarity to my position.
Yes I have, and there are lots of things I've done as a Christian that I look back at andand regret.
Sanctification is a process, and I'm glad the Lord is patient with his people.
I don't think we necessarily have to vote for Christians only. The issue is less about the person's personal opinions and more about how they govern. The State is required to punish those who break God's law and reward those who keep it, but they don't have to be Christians to do that.
A vote for the conservative party is a vote for people and a party who are outwardly saying that they will not only NOT do their job by not punishing those who commit the greatest evils, but they have and will actively support unrighteous laws that punish those who do good, such as Bill C-4.